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They are up.
I picked enough for dinner tonight.
Need rain badly though to seal the deal
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To smguffer, do you know the difference? And have you eaten a false morel, or maybe a psilocybin?
Veronica - Wow! I am impressed as usual with your knowledge of esoteric fungal information! I found another interesting tidbit in this article that states hydrazines are in only THREE species of edible mushrooms, Agaricus bisporus, Gyromitra esculenta, and Lentinus edodes, or Shiitake. Obviously G. esculenta must at least sometimes contain either more of or a stronger toxin than the other two, since there are few if any poisonings from either of the other two edibles mentioned, at least that I can find. I am sure the key is in the preparation of the mushroom, as the article you posted stressed. Cook your shrooms and you won't die - easy, right? Every account I have read, ten at least, of poisoning by false morels indicated either improper cooking or some kind of individual sensitivity, like when one person out of several becomes severely ill or dies while the rest are unaffected.

I am mystified by the false morel dilemma and this has been a great addition to my outlook on the issue. The world of the fungus ceases to amaze me! Thanks again V. for the article and awesome information!

Greggster - smguffer, from reading his posts for the past few weeks, seems quite well-informed on his mushroom facts and I think he "knows the difference" And what does eating psilocybes have to do with false morel poisonings?!? Psilocybin is not a deadly toxin like gyromitrin, and you don't fry up psilocybes for dinner! That would be pretty nasty to eat that kind of mushroom in very much quantity, and a very different kind of experience from exposure to gyromitrin definitely!

I feel that it is a choice for the individual, as I feel about just about everything else, and there is obvious, massive contradiction and confusion about whether a false morel will hurt you or not. If you are a cautious person, it would be your choice to not eat false morels ever, but also not store bought button mushrooms or shiitakes either, since they contain similar toxins as the false morel which are also destroyed by cooking. But if you like to live life on the edge, and some may say to the fullest, you might find an experienced old timer to show you the world of the "Reds" and try one! I have yet to brave the experience, but I am intrigued and definitely fall into the latter category of a person who is willing to go against conventional wisdom and trust the knowledge of a well-seasoned forager who can assure me of the well-established safety of our meal based on his or her personal experience.

So if it is safest to NEVER eat a false morel, should we NEVER eat store bought button mushrooms or Shiitakes either?

Sorry for the giant post - great topic!
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But wait - there's more! ;)

The wikipedia page for morels, Morchella species, states that our beloved quarry to which we devote so much adoration, contains small amounts of hydrazines also! On pages 271-272 of Paul Stamets' book Mycelium Running, he states that you can get sick from the vapors of cooking morels due to the release of toxic hydrazines caused by cooking. Crazy! So I have never heard that morels contain similar toxins as false morels, has anyone else? So the article I mentioned that claims hydrazines are in only three species seems to be inaccurate and there may be others as well!

Here's the link to that article which I forgot to include in the last post:
The statement about three species is at the bottom of page 566 and continues on to the following page.

Cook your shrooms!
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Greggster yeah false morels are actually really easy to identify and looks nothing like a real morel. so if you know what a real morel looks like you're not going to mistake anything else for them... just to be safe though, when you get ready to eat your find of real morels, just cut them in half after you rinse them. if they're not hallow all the way through the inside it's not a morel! good luck!
smguffer:I didn't realize you were posting in reference to Veronica's link. Didn't mean to be offensive, and that was a good read on all the edibles and non-edibles. Happy hunting!
the term "false morel " could apply to many fungi---Verpa's, Elvin saddle's , Gyromitra' saying that deaths were caused by false morels is like saying someone died in a crash with in some kind of a moving vehicle

My uncle knew a man that ate "beefsteak" mushrooms for years, and he did die
he was 96 when it
i think we all pretty much identify false morels in these parts as Gyromitra esculenta which have killed people. some people eat them and are fine, others arent. not sure if its an allergic reaction or if they're not thoroughly cooked. like i said, i think its a bad idea suggesting they're harmless or safe to eat for everyone reading these forums to see. but thats the last ill say about it.

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smguffer - Gyromitra caroliniana is fairly common here and known as "reds" or "big reds". They are usually bigger, have a deeper red cap, and a chalky looking white stalk. They are known to NOT contain high levels of gyromitra. I'm still not ready to eat one though! ;)
I to was talking about G. caroliniana, of which the photo's on the previous page are taken of. I would never recommend G. esculenta as an edible, and nor did I recommend G. caroliniana.
I simply posted that Kent Mcknight wrote that they were edible. He also was the first I had ever heard mention MMH present in Agaricus campestris (the cousin to the common "pizza mushroom")
He also has a very in-depth description of all the "false morels" in the Peterson field guide.

My real point is that the gyromitra's are neither morels or false morels.

happy hunting ...hope you all find the real thing soon!!
ok that's fair, but lets be honest here.. Gyromitra caroliniana and Gyromitra esculenta look almost identical to the untrained eye.
The picture u posted is a giromitra korfii....not the same as what what u said it is.....two different animals !!
Hi Veronica,
Looks like I should have started a post for Taney Co.! I have yet to find any in Greene Co. Have you found any here? What Co. did you find your original ones? Find any more since them?
Many many morels up in or near Osceola Mo.
The time is now to pick...good luck
I mostly hunt christian county and douglas....but did hunt St. clair yesterday and it was great
Veronica, were you having luck along the bottoms or in the hills? Any trees in particular where you had the most luck? Any info is much appreciated.
piro you might want to look at some pictures from various sites of esculenta ... unless all these "mushroom experts" are all wrong that is definitely a picture of esculenta.

make sure you know what you're eatin guys! lol ... as for me, im stickin to morels only
KS --
I found most on hillsides and in christian county I have mostly Oaks to hunt, but when I hunted St. Clair county I was finding mushrooms by Ash , Oak , and Elm.

Found another large bag full yesterday in Christian county on northern facing slopes . They seem to just be coming up where the sun never shines (north
Was hoping to go out today.... But rain and storms coming. If it clears up a bit I will go out. Has anyone gone to Wilsons Creek Battlefield?? I called there this morning and she said you can hunt morels there and you can take out one gallon per person. It costs $5 to get into the national forest though..
I have hunted summer mushroom's at Wilsons Creek.
It was pretty wooly though for my taste. I like more open woods.
The park ranger also told me it was OK to hunt shrooms as long as I did not get greedy.
We went for 3 hrs today. Didn't find one morel.

We looked hill sides, by the creek, and everywhere. Nothing!

Dunno if it's because of the rain?
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